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Comment by Sean South on June 15, 2010 at 4:30pm
I don't think the question on the parking lot incident displayed much experience and I think there are many occasions where termination or discipline is required. His points seem to circle around how not enough supervision was being conducted in workplaces and he cited a number of valid situations in support of his contentions. you make it sound like he would fire somebody for tripping in the parking lot. Maybe the level of discussion will improve here but I see not much evidence since he was booted.
Comment by Jerimee Bortner on June 15, 2010 at 4:15pm
Let's say that the level of the forum dropped dramtically for a time, and has since recovered. Do he need to be banned, I don't know, not my call but the forum is retunring to its intended state.
Comment by Don Prostka on June 15, 2010 at 4:02pm
What I menat by asking his experience level was that it was clear that he had not developed a program with any substance. In his own words, safety is the standard with some common sense added to it, or something to that effect. I and others had asked what experience he was basing his decisions on to no avail. His common sense did not demonstrate any practical experience. When one is looking to be the safety cop and discipline or terminate people, that is a sign of inexperience in running a safety program. While it is true that it does get to this level sometimes, with Patty it seemed to be the only recourse due when someone violated a safety procedure.
I in no way attempted to piss him off on purpose, well maybe until the end when I started calling him Patty. What had started as valid discussion was turned in to insinuations and name calling.
Comment by Sean South on June 15, 2010 at 3:56pm
Have a look at the many attacks and tell me he was the only one who should have been banned. I think you might agree with me.
Comment by Jerimee Bortner on June 15, 2010 at 3:51pm
Not at all, but when you resort to attacking someone because they do not believe the same as you, then steps must be taken.
Comment by Sean South on June 15, 2010 at 3:49pm
Are you saying we must all agree with each other here or you get banned?
Comment by Sean South on June 15, 2010 at 3:40pm
Agreed, but I would find it hard to talk-it-up.
Comment by Jerimee Bortner on June 15, 2010 at 3:39pm
The now infamous "bubble wrap" affair ended up not being a recordable injury after all. As Christie mentioned, I was "letting off" some frustration over an incident that occurred earlier in the week. Toes did have some valid points, and I was on his side in some of the discussion. It was his extreme dogmatic nature that caused many of the problems. He could not live with a difference of opinion, either you agreed with him, or you were wrong and that usually ends poorly.
Comment by Christie Mendola on June 15, 2010 at 3:29pm
The bubble wrap discussion started as something relevant to this group but ended up where it did just to add a little humor to a unfortunate situation someone was in.
Comment by Sean South on June 15, 2010 at 3:21pm
I'm sure you are confident in your opinion of the guy but I don't share it. If you "questioned" me about my experience as a qualification to be here I'd be pissed off at you. No matter how you felt about him I looked back at the time in question and fail to see what was wrong with his posts on safety matters. Entertaining yourself at somebody's expense is not decent or fair.
 

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